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[wpkg-users] Why I love WPKG and how we use it as a MSP with multi tenancy and mobile devices
QiQQ Partners
2018-06-28 19:44:35 UTC
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I read a lot messages with the question, what will be the feature of WPKG. I'm also not really sure what the future will be of WPKG, but I can say that it's extremely reliable and when you test all you're packages in Win 7 32,64-bit and Win 10 32, and 64 bit for installing. upgrading and removing you can trust on it.

One month ago I had the problem, that I need to renew our way of deployment. We need to deploy software over the internet and WPKG is based on a network share. I'm already using WPKG for a long time and it never disappointed me, but I really need mobile device management. Because at the moment we used a combination of Active Directory, scripted and synced group policy's to our clients who are having one way AD trust.

So I was looking for other software than WPKG to deploy my software, there a very much applications from free till to expensive. But mostly are using a push method and don't show the users what's going on their computer. I love the way WPKG works, so I started to combine WPKG with our RMM tool N-Central.

The most important part from WPKG are for me:

1. It's check system works perfect
2. Remove command are included, to keep computers clean
3. It is a GET system, not aPUSHsystem like almost all alternatives.
* GET: The machine is running WPKG-GP, and is asking what it packages needs to be installed, updated or removed
* PUSH: I have a package, I do a scheduled deploy, but when pushing software can already be in use... So sometime packages fails
4. Almost zero problems, when using with WPKG-GP. It runs on boot before the login screen. So no other software is running and install and remove commands can do there work perfectly under system account
5. To give you're clients the option to install software when they have time, just deploy WPKG-GP Client. It's written in Putty and gives users a small tray icon what checks for new software.
* When new software is found, it brings up a popup
* When clicking the popup, clients can say to install.

i. The applications say to close all windows

ii. Will do a synchronize

iii. Let the user know when ready

1. When clients forget to install updates, on reboot WPKG-GP will take it over and deploy packages at boot.

But mobile devices, what about them? We had this problem, that mobile devices can't reach the network share. Before we installed the Softether VPN clients that starts before WPKG starts. And it was working perfect, but now we wanted to implement it for clients without any server. So we setup the following:


1. Make webserver, SSL based and place the next files on it:
* Folder as software share, where al package zip files are stored
* %custommername%.hosts.xml
* profiles.xml
* packages.xml
2. Implement the URL's to config.xml, we also did enable "applyMultiple" variable to match at more hostnames
3. Make a zip on the place it on the http server
4. With N-Central we created a Automation Script, called WPKG deploy
* New computer, we install N-Central agent

i. Let it create a system environment variable %custommername%

ii. Push out the task WPKG Deploy, this download WPKG.zip and extract files WPKG.JS and config.xml to your own folder

iii. Runs the command: cscript foldername\wpkg.js /quiet /install:wpkg-gp,softwareaudit,python,wpkg-gp-client

iv. Now N-Central give a message, WPKG is installed

v. We open WPKG-GP Client

vi. Press update and everything will be installed

vii. Reboot computer and WPKG-GP will do the rest when needed

* We can redeploy config files and wpkg.js when needed with
1. All packages are having variables, to make it more easy.
* Software source
* Download and unzip commands
* Destination
* All you need
2. All packages are stored on the https server
3. All package packgename.xml are stored in separated folders on the server
4. A Powershell script combines all separate package.xml to one packages.xml, because WPKG can't crawl through the separated package xml file if you place them in the packages folder.

A export from N-Central will export the hostname, client and site name to a CSV file. I'm busy making a Powershell script to import this CSV file and automatically renew the hosts.xml file and based on the site variable I can add specific packages to specific groups of computers.

Because we don't want to make all packages, we created a perfect NinitePro integration, that do's:

1. Give a applist input, to Ninite for checking if applications are installed or need to be upgraded or installed
2. All packages, have a check like:
<check type="execute" path='%comspec% /C %INSTALL_SOURCE%\versioncheckv2.bat "%NINITEPACKAGENAME%"' condition="exitcodeequalto" value="1" />
3. Almost all applications are installed and checked in combination with WPKG and Ninite.

Some people will say why don't you use N-Central or Ninite agent to deploy the software. Because I love they way WPKG is build, with perfect check, install, upgrade and remove command. And because it starts before Windows is running, so it uses a GET option we have computers that are installed a long time ago and never get in to problems. Also it's very clear to the user with WPKG-GP and WPKG-GP Client what's going on, just like Windows updates.

After 2 weeks of redesigning and testing our share based WPKG, I rebuilded it to a powerfull location and server independent package managment system. With a lot of thanks to the projects: WPKG, WPKG-GP and WPKG-GP client.

Things to do for me:

1. Integrate other package managers as Chocolaty and Npackd. That WPKG will check for this repository's if there are needed installs, upgrades or removes
2. Add client side SSL certificate to my https WPKG sever
3. Add a variable, when inside the client network don't set the local https server.
4. Maybe sharing my complete script and package database on Github

So I hope that everyone that's thinking that WPKG is death, it's open source and you can build what you want.

Greetz ARKO
Matthew Broadhead
2018-06-29 08:02:56 UTC
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i use WPKG and it works fine.  but what i don't like about it is that i
have to write scripts to upgrade packages and using the examples from
the website which seem incomplete.  what would be better is if wpkg
could pull the scripts from a central resource where they could be
tweaked by users until they function correctly
Post by QiQQ Partners
I read a lot messages with the question, what will be the feature of
WPKG. I’m also not really sure what the future will be of WPKG, but I
can say that it’s extremely reliable and when you test all you’re
packages in Win 7 32,64-bit and Win 10 32, and 64 bit for installing.
upgrading and removing you can trust on it.
One month ago I had the problem, that I  need to renew our way of
deployment. We need to deploy software over the internet and WPKG is
based on a network share. I’m already using WPKG for a long time and
it never disappointed me, but I really need mobile device management.
Because at the moment we used a combination of Active Directory,
scripted and synced group policy’s to our clients who are having one
way AD trust.
So I was looking for other software than WPKG to deploy my software,
there a very much applications from free till to expensive. But mostly
are using a push method and don’t show the users what’s  going on
their computer. I love the way WPKG works, so I started to combine
WPKG with our RMM tool N-Central.
1. It’s check system works perfect
2. Remove command are included, to keep computers clean
3. It is a GET system, not aPUSHsystem like almost all alternatives.
1. GET: The machine is running WPKG-GP, and is asking what it
packages needs to be installed, updated or removed
2. PUSH: I have a package, I do a scheduled deploy, but when
pushing software can already be in use… So sometime packages fails
4. Almost zero problems, when using with WPKG-GP. It runs on boot
before the login screen. So no other software is running and
install and remove commands can do there work perfectly under
system account
5. To give you’re clients the option to install software when they
have time, just deploy WPKG-GP Client. It’s written in Putty and
gives users a small tray icon what checks for new software.
1. When new software is found, it brings up a popup
2. When clicking the popup, clients can say to install.
i.The applications say to close all windows
ii.Will do a synchronize
iii.Let the user know when ready
6. When clients forget to install updates, on reboot WPKG-GP will
take it over and deploy packages at boot.
But mobile devices, what about them? We had this problem, that mobile
devices can’t reach the network share. Before we installed the
Softether VPN clients that starts before WPKG starts. And it was
working perfect, but now we wanted to implement it for clients without
1. Folder as software share, where al package zip files are stored
2. %custommername%.hosts.xml
3. profiles.xml
4. packages.xml
2. Implement the URL’s to config.xml, we also did enable
“applyMultiple” variable to match at more hostnames
3. Make a zip on the place it on the http server
4. With N-Central we created a Automation Script, called WPKG deploy
1. New computer, we install N-Central agent
i.Let it create a system environment variable %custommername%
ii.Push out the task WPKG Deploy, this download WPKG.zip and extract
files WPKG.JS and config.xml to your own folder
iii.Runs the command: cscript foldername\wpkg.js /quiet
/install:wpkg-gp,softwareaudit,python,wpkg-gp-client
iv.Now N-Central give a message, WPKG is installed
v.We open WPKG-GP Client
vi.Press update and everything will be installed
vii.Reboot computer and WPKG-GP will do the rest when needed
2. We  can redeploy config files and wpkg.js when needed with
4. All packages are having variables, to make it more easy.
1. Software source
2. Download and unzip commands
3. Destination
4. All you need
5. All packages are stored on the https server
6. All package packgename.xml are stored in separated folders on the
server
7. A Powershell script combines all separate package.xml to one
packages.xml, because WPKG can’t crawl through the separated
package xml file if you place them in the packages folder.
A export from N-Central will export the hostname, client and site name
to a CSV file. I’m busy making a Powershell script to import this CSV
file and automatically renew the hosts.xml file and based on the site
variable I can add specific packages to specific groups of computers.
Because we don’t want to make all packages, we created a perfect
1. Give a applist input, to Ninite for checking if applications are
installed or need to be upgraded or installed
<check type="execute" path='%comspec% /C
%INSTALL_SOURCE%\versioncheckv2.bat "%NINITEPACKAGENAME%"'
condition="exitcodeequalto" value="1" />
3. Almost all applications are installed and checked in combination
with WPKG and Ninite.
Some people will say why don’t you use N-Central or Ninite agent to
deploy the software. Because I love they way WPKG is build, with
perfect check, install, upgrade and remove command. And because it
starts before Windows is running, so it uses a GET option we have
computers that are installed a long time ago and never get in to
problems. Also it’s very clear to the user with WPKG-GP and WPKG-GP
Client what’s going on, just like Windows updates.
After 2 weeks of redesigning and testing our share based WPKG, I
rebuilded it to a powerfull location and server independent package
managment system. With a lot of thanks to the projects: WPKG, WPKG-GP
and WPKG-GP client.
1. Integrate other package managers as Chocolaty and Npackd. That
WPKG will check for this repository’s if there are needed
installs, upgrades or removes
2. Add client side SSL certificate to my https WPKG sever
3. Add a variable, when inside the client network don’t set the local
https server.
4. Maybe sharing my complete script and package database on Github
So I hope that everyone that’s thinking that WPKG is death, it’s open
source and you can build what you want.
Greetz ARKO
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Falko Trojahn
2018-07-02 20:34:28 UTC
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Post by Matthew Broadhead
i use WPKG and it works fine.  but what i don't like about it is that i
have to write scripts to upgrade packages and using the examples from
the website which seem incomplete.  what would be better is if wpkg
could pull the scripts from a central resource where they could be
tweaked by users until they function correctly
There are lots of github repos with complex installation xml for wpkg,
just one example:
https://github.com/speartail/wpkg

But, you'll never find the perfect matching collection for your needs -
this is what wpkg is for: adjust it for your own situation.

Software installation routines are a running target ... IMHO you can
integrate wpkg with chocolatey, so may be this is what you want.
Thou, only a small percentage of chocolatey packages is approved. So,
I would never trust remote packages when deploying within a large,
or even small company: just build 'em yourself and you know for
sure what's going on.

just my 2¢
Falko
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Matthew Broadhead
2018-07-03 08:44:10 UTC
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thanks i wasn't aware of speartail.  i will take a look
Post by Falko Trojahn
Post by Matthew Broadhead
i use WPKG and it works fine.  but what i don't like about it is that
i have to write scripts to upgrade packages and using the examples
from the website which seem incomplete.  what would be better is if
wpkg could pull the scripts from a central resource where they could
be tweaked by users until they function correctly
There are lots of github repos with complex installation xml for wpkg,
https://github.com/speartail/wpkg
But, you'll never find the perfect matching collection for your needs -
this is what wpkg is for: adjust it for your own situation.
Software installation routines are a running target ... IMHO you can
integrate wpkg with chocolatey, so may be this is what you want.
Thou, only a small percentage of chocolatey packages is approved. So,
I would never trust remote packages when deploying within a large,
or even small company: just build 'em yourself and you know for
sure what's going on.
just my 2¢
Falko
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